Vitour Tempesta Sonic 100tw 305/35R18 Ongoing Review
It's no secret that all of the numbers and ratings behind track tires are dubious. Treadwear is a highly debatable value, width is apparently subjective...heck to be honest I think the only reliable number in all of the process is the wheel diameter!
Every few years it seems somebody comes out with their new tire that smokes everybody else, and then the entire field of tires all catch up by making their tires a bit more grippy too. Everyone slowly inches forward and forward, to the point tires that were formerly 200tw class winners are now on par with 300tw tires. This also doesn't even factor in the super vs enduro 200tw difference, where a Hankook RS4 will go 15,000 miles and a A052 will go 4,000... but they both "wear the same" right?
Such is the game. I didn't make it, I'm just here to shred... and the latest and great shred tire from Vitour comes hot on the heels of their previous category re-defining 200tw tires, so there were big expectations. Would the tires work good? Will they last? Howm uch camber do they require? Do they overheat or go the distance? Do they outlast the 200tw tires somehow!?!?
Well, tag along. I'm going to find out for you this time attack season.
Initial thoughts Receovomg & Installing the Tires
Right off the bat, I am running a rather odd size of 305/35R1. Typically C5 Corvette's run 315 squared... but for whatever reason the OnGrid GT class limits you to an average width of 305. Thus, I got the tires in a taller sidewall profile than I think just about anybody will run squared on their C5 Corvette.
Above on the left are my lapping tires, some Continental Extreme Contact Forces in 315/30R18. Next to them on the right are the Vitour Sonics. Notice anything about the level? Oh yeah... the 315 width Vitour Sonics are ever so SLIGHTLY WIDER! My Conti ECF's also ran wider than the Vitour P1's... so these seem to be some really cheater width tires! I don't make the rules though and since mine say 305 on the side, I can say I am running 305's in my class guilt free.
Here's a great picture of just how meaty these tires are. Damien from Fieroline racing is 6 feet tall and that wheel is 11" wide. These tires barely fit on the tire changing machine. I can only imagine the fiasco that shoving these in a 315 would be!
Otherwise... there's nothing that noteworthy to observe during installation and some mild street driving to try and scrub them in. Some folks claim they prefer to be heat cycled in, I have no idea how anyone can claim to know the difference yet on tires that have only existed to the general public for a few months... but hey there's definitely people out there better connect than me in motorsports!
Initial Track Impressions
So you'd do well to take any enthusiasts feedback with a grain of salt... because if they're anything like me their car is a constant project, lots of details are changing, they may be moving around class rules, and some details may not be as locked in as others. On my car though I had just dialed in my alingment, I had fresh brakes and rotors with bedded pads, and I had a nice day of cool weather ahead of me on track to shred. I think I've got some decent initial findings to share with folks.
Right off the Bat -- These tires Do Legitimately Shred: I set a PB on that lap though by over one second of time gain (1:47.79 versus 1:48.85), being rusty to driving the car as we were just coming out of winter. These feel great and work well. Now was it other improvements to the car? Possibly... but these were surely in the sauce and it tasted sweet!
Warmup is Slower than the P01Rs and heat tolerance is superior. I found with the Vitour P-01Rs I needed the full out lap and some serious intentional scrubbing to get the tires ready to send it, with the best laps generally being 2-4 for me. However with the Sonics, the outlap was not only inadequate to get the temps up, the second lap still demonstrated they weren't up to temperature. The largest area I felt of conern was on turn in cold the tires would understeer with a skip like feeling through the steering wheel. This quickly went away as temperatures increased, but I could easily get the front to push and skip before that time. For me, my fastest laps were always laps 3-6, and honestly laps 6-7 weren't that bad either, I just had to be intentional with my weigh transfers or I'd find myself in a slightly different location than intended.
This wasn't overly concerning to me as I got lucky in my time attack group and was first on the grid with about 2-3 seconds of time between myself and the next closest person... but if you were gridding with folks who can hammer the track right after the outlap you'e going to be in the way and then suddenly find yourself charging right at them as they are rolling off. Timing wise, this could be a challenge for some folks out there.
Handling on the tires is Excpetional. These feel great, and you can see it in my increased corner G forces and acceleration and braking G force numbers. There wasn't anywhere these didn't out perform the Vitour P01Rs for me... but with that increased limit I did find they were prone to mid corner push at times, leaving me feeling like I was running wider than intended at points. Turn in was also a bit slower, but I think that is more reasonable to attribute to the 35 profile sidewall versus my previous 30 profile. Some of that could be suspension setup as well relative to the increased weight of these tires, as they are surely quite chonky.
The Vitour Sonics Jump a Lot in Pressure. I started my day at 26 PSI after a short drive around the country roads near The Ridge. I went out for my first session set a PB and had a blast, but unfortunately couldn't accurately judge my temperature coming off the track as we had to sit for 5 or so minutes for an all red. Once I returned to the pit, the tires were a reasonable 32 PSI, but I took into account some cooling likely occured and dropped to 30 PSI.
Next session I went out... and didn't match my PB by a quarter second and felt the tires were a lot more pushy mid turn, with a weaker turn in. I figured perhas it was track temps increasing, and returned to the cold pits after an 8/10ths cool down lap. I checked my pressures, and discovered I had now peaked to 37 PSI. That jump is a pretty significant jump, especially from a mostly warm tire... so just what was going on?
I dropped pressures to 32 PSi, went back out and set a time closer to my PB, but still not quite competitive enough. Tire pressures coming off were now 33 psi, and I dropped them yet again to 31.5 all around
Next day I left the track and returned... to find my tire pressures cold at 21 PSI. I've never started my day that cold, but I trusted in the process and went for a long country road drive to get some temps into the tires. After driving 30 minutes round trip to get some gas, I returned and my pressures were a reasonable "go out on track" pressure of 27 PSI.
First session out on day 2 and I returned to find my tires had yet again peaked to 32.5 or so and still had a bit of push. I was within .03 seconds of my PB though so felt I was onto something and decided to drop the tires to 31.5 and go back out. Unfortunately, at this point rain would set in, and as I'd already secured a great time and held 1st place... why push it.
Wear Seems Exceptions Thus Far. Despite my somewhat limited rear camber, and not exactly insane front camber... the tires look to barely be scuffed and to have a lot more life left in them.
Pictures of the tires hot off the track on Day 2
Here are my unadulered shots of my tires after my last and only session of Day 2, provided with no opinion up front so you can judge for yourself.
Right rear as viewed from the rear
Right rear as viewed from the outside
Rear left as viewed from the rear.
Rear left as viewed from the side.
Left front, as viewed from as rearward as I could get a picture.
Front Left Tire as viewed from the Side
Front right tire as viewed from the rear.
Front right tires, as viewed from the side.
Things I don't Know Just Yet But I'm Sure I'll figure out OR the Community Will tell me
- I have no idea what to do now for starting pressure. Going out on 21 PSi seems silly... so should I plan on two temperature jumps to manage throughout the weekend, if not 3? Should I go with Nitrogen like some folks suggested... who the heck knows!
- I'm still not sure I have got the fronts low enough. They look like there's shoulder left to use on them. I am running -2.8 degres of camber which shouldn't be too much...
- The fact I don't know if my camber is right is proof I need to take temps. I really need to secure some trackside help to get my tire temperatures taken so I can analyze just what I have going on. I've tried to get the numbers once or twice and it was always a bit of a fiasco. A memory style temperature probe would help make the process fast and easy for whomever is helping me... but even finding that help is a challenge.
- As I dial in temperatures and pressures... what sort of suspension adjustments do I need to make for these heavier tires? I reduced front rebound damping to try and help fight that skip skip skip feeling when colder with the tire, and it did slightly improve. Perhaps there's more gains to be had there?
... To be continued as the season progresses!